last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, the presidential candidates firing up their bases they tried to turn out every last vote in a tight race. we check in with our friend, steve korn mackey, on the past to 270. plus, a warning to democrats from the battlegrounds. why a new memo is laying out a worrying trend among young voters. why america has become irresistible to investment. we discussed how clean energy is boosting the economy, especially in red states is the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night.

>> good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle one we are now just 42 days away from the election. on one hand it seems like tomorrow. on the other hand it seems like it's never going to get here because one or both candidates doing right now? they are leaning into an issues that energize the respective base. vice president kamala harris spoke with a local wisconsin radio station and talked about restoring abortion rights under roe v. wade. >> we should eliminate the filibuster for row and we need to get us to the point where 51 votes would be what we need to actually put back in law the protections for reproductive freedom. >> did you hear what she said? this is the first time vp harris confirmed her position on eliminating the filibuster to codify roe since becoming the democratic nominee. meanwhile donald trump was in georgia for the first time in two months. he promised to lower taxes, raise tariffsend quote, take other countries' jobs. tomorrow kamala harris is

prepared to give a speech in pittsburgh with more on her economic vision for america. for that what's get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel tonight. leanne, have you heard from lawmakers on the vps comments? i want to know the reaction on capitol hill tonight on ending the filibuster to restore abortion rights and i'm going to let you start with what did joe manchin say. >> well, senator joe manchin was not thrilled, obviously. he said he was not pleased about kamala harris' comments

but guess what. joe manchin decided not to run for re-election, and so joe manchin will not be in the senate next year so it doesn't matter really what joe manchin things about it at this point. republicans are obviously beside themselves. democrats, though, this is something they have been contemplating and discussing. senate majority leader chuck schumer has said that it is something he is going to have to consider with the rest of the democratic caucus. removing aspects of the filibuster for something specific like voting rights. he said that is something he would do. as far as abortion is concerned, that is absolutely on the table but they also have to have a democratic majority in the senate and that is very much up in the air. >> unfortunately, i was so taken by leon's living room i have no idea what she just said so i'm going to ask you to discuss the same thing. kamala harris talked about this

on a local wisconsin radio station. how important are these local interviews on issues like this, and if you want to comment on mansion, feel free. i can't help you, because gosh, such a cream always is in there. >> it really is beautiful. i get distracted too. what she is doing, that what the harris team is doing with these local news stations doing local stuff, you know, doing the black journalist association last week, they are very targeted in the kind of media they are doing, which i think is really smart. there has been a lot of talk about doing a cut out for just reproductive choice. again, we don't know the numbers but i think her justification for this would be that it was a constitutionally protected right for nearly half a century, so it's not like just ending the filibuster for something that is not -- that had not existed for a long time as a right of women. >> i want to talk about what

donald trump said today and talk about where he said it. he was in georgia for the first time in almost two months. hugo, i know you've done a lot of reporting on his ground game there. >> the term campaign has outsourced the ground game to super pac's the cycle. historically what has happened is the rnc would get its pot of money and basically farm it out to local and state republican party entities and they would kind of do their own rnc ground game for they would have field operation people, door knockers, canvases -- canvassers go door to door. they would have these voter contacts. >> of the rnc did not do at this time. they were releasing lara trump's record. they have legal bill s to

cover. i do not know if it was a full op but at the very least it was a single. that doesn't happen for free. >> the nbc had this opinion out and said the campaign can now coordinate more closely with super pacs because it allows the campaigns to free up some money so this is the rational. the problem was they started so late. they really started hiring people last month. this is extremely late in the cycle, trying to hire people in two or three months to go knock on doors in the blazing heat georgia, arizona, nevada like that is not something you can retain good staff to do. when you do it this late in the cycle, you don't get as many voter contacts as you would like. elon musk's pack that is leading the ground game operation for trump is trying to do three passes.

they are not on track in some states. >> last-minute losers? >> too little too late. >> let's talk about mitch mcconnell because he said, no surprise, he is not a fan of tariffs after donald trump threatened to impose a 200% tariff on john deere equipment that is manufactured in mexico and quick caveat to our audience, you want to destroy a storied american brand, and american company, sure, jacked up tariffs in the face and then make products more expensive for the consumer so hurt the consumer and hurt one of america's most beloved companies. besides mitch mcconnell, who rarely agrees with trump but rarely does anything about it, have you talked to any of the republicans on the hill about trump's big economic ideas? >> he probably very rarely agrees with you, too, but exactly what you said is what he said today, that it will absolutely raise the cost on american consumers, and it is not something he supports. there are a lot of republicans who are extremely uncomfortable with trump's tariff plan on capitol hill but they say look, this is campaign politics. people make a lot of promises and they are back in the mode of hey, let's cross our fingers and hope this doesn't happen if

he gets elected. at this point, they're not willing to speak out very much against it, but if this is in the hands of republicans in congress, they are not comfortable with this, even though they have moved a lot in the populist direction. they have moved in the direction of donald trump on the economy but this, for most of them, is too far. >> to remind our audience, those are republican lawmakers crossing their fingers and hoping a campaign promise does not come to fruition, and that campaign promises of the republican candidate, not a democrat. donald trump also promised today that if elected, he's going to take jobs from other countries by offering lower taxes and lowering the energy cost to companies here so they're going to want to manufacture in the united states.

here is what i need to know. does this work with undecided voters? because, if we just stopped having taxes, right? if we bring in no tax dollars into this country whatsoever, which is basically every passing day with everybody trump offers up like were no longer going to need an irs. our country will run. >> right, and together with the tariffs, can we just say that if you take all of these protectionist measures together, you actually increase inflation which is what trump is saying he's going to reduce and has been blaming biden for a no kamala harris but all of these would increase inflation, increase the cost of living and i don't see how this is beneficial for the american consumer. the trump campaign likes to talk about the american worker but american workers are consumers, too, and they're going to be hit in the pocketbook if you continue to have protectionist measures like tariffs and giving foreign companies tax breaks to

manufacture in the u.s. >> mark cuban has got for further today trolling, talking, fighting with elon musk about kamala harris' policies versus trump. he went as far as to endorse the harris-walz ticket today. >> just want to go through a few quick statements on why i'm supporting vice president harrison why i think she is better for business. in a nutshell, the vice president and her team thinks through her policies. she does not just off the top of her head say what she thinks the crowd wants to hear, like the republican nominee. he says things off the top of his head that tend to often be ridiculous, if not insane. >> but, is that strategy working? >> we don't know. we have polls. >> polling's continue to say that he does better on the economy despite -- 16 nobel

laureate economist despite 80 ceos, despite trumps policies that he is actually pitching, scores of people go, he's pretty good on the economy. >> its vibes. i don't know, but it is completely crazy, i agree. every economic policy he has shopped. remember child care as childcare. the man is not coming up with anything new, and he is usually sort of recycling old stuff but for whatever reason i guess there is some kind of, you know, memories of republicans being good on the economy at one point but yeah, no. i'm glad mark cuban did that and it is nice to see that there are some billionaires who don't just care about the 2025 trump tax cuts that are going to expire and they want them to stay. >> that is what is interesting because trump has this two- tiered base of super wealthy people who want to protect

their situation but also his core base, that blue-collar worker and why they are so interesting is that was his original base, that forgotten american, right? he did not remember them. joe biden and joe biden's policies did deliver for that voter, yet they are staying with trump. tomorrow, vp harris is giving a speech in pittsburgh on manufacturing. help us understand what her pitch is going to be, because in the last four years, they've actually delivered for that base. >> the funny thing about trump, as well, is when he was in office he is to talk about your 401(k)s are going up. the s&p is going up. the constituency base is not looking at the 401(k) and seeing if it is pegged to the s&p. they're trying to go through regular consumer issues so this is always been the disconnect inside trump world.

he has to placate his ultra rich donors but also his base in his always counting on the fact that his base doesn't understand the economic instruments and product his pushing that appeal to the rich donors. it's funny you mention about harris and her policies and when she talks about an opportunity economy and when she talks about trying to help the middle class, that is the pitch. not specific on the manufacturing policy but what i've noticed with the small and medium-sized business policy that harris has, the moment she put forward her policies on that, trump had to pivot and say oh no, i support the middle class, as well, and i'm going to have the same set of policies that harris has because he realized he wasn't matching on the economic side. >> let's talk about immigration. it is clearly one of trump's biggest attack lines. there are many people in this country, it is the top issue, but she is trying to take control of this narrative. she's going to the border on friday. >> look, one of the things they did last year as they had murphy work on -- murphy cinema and the senator from what,

anyway -- sorry. they had the three of them work on this barter package. they got a bill together. they got the bill together and then trump killed it so there had been a solution and again, the problem with the border's money. they need money for judges, money for enforcement. money to take care of the border . >> do democrats need to do a better job of saying that? in the absence of not saying that and us having an illegal immigration problem and even illegal immigration capacity problem, in the absence of democrats not saying we have got the laws, we need the money to put this forward, does that not leave a gap for people to say well, democrats are not doing anything for me or they are focused on the immigrants, they are not focusing tax" on me

that gives way to the trump lies? >> absolutely and when you talk to people in texas are people who legislate or work in those areas of the government, they will say the problem is money. they don't have enough people working there. they don't have enough judges. they can't process the claims fast enough and that is why people don't get called back for years and years, so it's an easy self but until there is legislation, there's not going to be money. >> it's an easy self. molly said it first. maybe last. >> house speaker mike johnson is turning to democrats to pass the continuing resolution to fund the government. he insists that he and donald trump are on the same page. i'm tempted to say i don't believe that, but you know better than i do. what is the word? >> you cut out. i didn't hear your question but i want to talk about this anyway.

speaker johnson met with donald trump twice last week. once, he went down to mar-a- lago. trump still proceeded to truth social fact that he should have a government shutdown if he doesn't get his bill that would prohibit noncitizens from voting. that, of course, is already illegal, but anyway, this is what he is demanding because the campaign is 45 days out. mike johnson met with donald trump again for a second time last week in washington, d.c. we don't know exactly what was said but since then, donald trump has not threatened them called for a government shutdown . that is why mike johnson is saying that they are not far apart. they are not -- they have not split here, but the reality is that house republicans, mike johnson has to continue to manage this relationship for donald trump 42 days from an election when not only is the presidential race extremely close, but so is control of the

house. mike johnson knows a government shutdown is not good for republicans who want to win control of the house. donald trump has proven that he has not cared much about down ballot. he's interested in his own race. so, the government is not going to shut down. they are going to vote to fund it tomorrow, and donald trump, we will see what sort of response he has. >> my goodness, leanne. hugo, molly, thank you, as well. when we returned, a closer look at the path to the white house. later, a new memo warns democratic efforts to reach out to younger voters and the voters of color are critically underfunded. don't you take the unions for granted. the 11th hour getting underway on a tuesday night. ing underway on a tuesday night.

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we are just six weeks away from election day and with all of that, the poles can be hard

to tell where the race stands but thankfully we have steve to help break down all of it. right now, what are the numbers telling us? >> let's take a look because there have been a lot coming out in the last couple of days. first of all you have probably seen these headlines in the last couple of days. our own nbc had kamala harris ahead by five. cbs had her up by four. cnn has her up by one. quinnipiac today have a tie. there have been many others. the average of all the polls recently conducted postdebate word is that net out? on average to harris by three points in the national horserace right now. of course what we have seen in 16 and in 20, the last two elections, is that donald trump fell short in the national popular vote. he won because of the electoral college. looking at our poll averages in these battleground states right now, what comes out is a bit of a north-south divide. look at where you see the harris blue here, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, her three best results. you got nevada harris leading in the average by about a point and a half, a particularly volatile state with polling,

hard to nail down. and then trump's strength right now, georgia, arizona and a tie in north carolina but trump doing in the polling a little bit better in the sunbelt that -- and he is in the midwest states. for trump, the situation is he's got to get like georgia, carolina. he could then win with pennsylvania. the point for trump is he's going to have to win almost certainly one of those three big ten states right now for harris is pulling the best. these are very close margins. >> politico is reporting that some democrats justifiably are worried that the teamsters non- endorsement of harris was this warning sign that she has real work to do with working-class voters despite the fact that so much of what joe biden has delivered, his legislative wins have delivered for blue-collar workers. >> we just showed you michigan,

pennsylvania, wisconsin and take a look. michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, these three states among the seven core battleground states have the highest adult populations of white voters without four-year degrees. blue-collar white voters and of course we talk about this as a courtroom constituency in 1620, but another feature has been polling misses among this group of voters. blue-collar white voters, particularly in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania both in 2016 and in 2020 so keep that in mind, the last graphic i showed you where harris has her best poll average numbers in those three states those are also the three states chock- full of that trump-from the demographic that has been underestimated, undercounted really and polling in terms of support for trump the last two times around. if that happens again, those small harris poll averages look a lot different.

>> it's undercounted why, because people are voting for him but they don't like to talk about it? >> there are all sorts of theories about why pollsters have not been able to adequately capture the segment of the blue-collar white population that is. trump one of the things that happens is demographically speaking in terms of being representative of the population as a whole, you could get the correct number of blue-collar white voters in your poll, but there are still the color white voters that vote democratic. there are not as many who vote republican or trump in the states and what may end up happening in these polls is they get more willingness from the democratic side, the democratic segment to answer the phone and go through the poll process than the republican side. a lot of different theories for

why those trump voters have been hard to reach but it certainly seems that has been an issue in the polling in those states. >> what about the ceiling? vp harris still has areas where she can expand support for trump, it seems like he's got a ceiling. is that the case? >> talking about 46, 47% or so based on the last two elections that there have been some pollster have pulled a little bit higher than that this time around. one area to look out for trump is, he has shown some growth in the polls relative to 2020, 2016 among nonwhite voters. among black voters what you're looking at, this is our average of all the different poles that are out there right now and on average, trump is sitting in the mid-teens there among black voters. again, these numbers will bounce around from poll to poll so it is a little bit hard to nail down but we can say historically speaking, if anything like this were to play out in the election, 15% for republican among black voters in the presidential election would be at the high-end of what we've seen in modern times.

that is small, but it could boost trump in a state like georgia, a state like north carolina, a state with a large black population. just that kind of improvement from the mid-high single digits to the mid-teens. among hispanic voters this was a big story in 2020 of course, trump made big strides with hispanic voters. you are looking at the average of all the polls right now among hispanic voters. harris 54, trump 41. if this were to be what actually played out in the election, that would represent further growth for trump among hispanic voters. you start thinking about arizona, nevada this would come into play, certainly in georgia, as well, 10% hispanic there so again this would represent growth for trump. we talk about is he locked-in based on 16 and 20. here are two demographics, particularly hispanics, where he has shown some improvement the last time around. >> you better rest up. you have 42 days and it is game on.

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there is a political warning sign for vp harris in key battleground states according to the new york times. key groups say the push to

reach minority voters and younger voters need more money. they point to recent internal data from the states and say harris must have these voters as part of her coalition if she wants to win in november. jason johnson is in town, politics and journalism professor at morgan state university. and, mike madrid is here, former political director of california's political party. these groups are trying to tell donors that just because kamala harris is a woman of color, do not automatically assume they are going to get out and vote for her. what do you think of this warning? this quickly, she is pulling well.

>> look, she's up by 31. she is doing better than biden. this is normal. you can look at 2020. you can look at 2016. people say the same thing every year. you're not giving enough. there's never a campaign season where people are saying i think we're good on money. they're always asking for more. i think with this particular generation, though, the political class as to catch up with how to communicate with them. they get so much information from tiktok and instagram. they're not getting it from tv and facebook. facebook is for their grandparents now and i think campaigns need to be more sophisticated in figuring out the algorithm in fig -- communicating with the young people. >> you are a college professor. is it working? we talked about the doubleheaders. we talked about young people not being excited or inspired by donald trump and joe biden. your focus group of your students, what are you wanting? >> at the beginning of every semester i doing what do you know quiz. ask questions, you know, who shot megan the stallion in the foot, ask basic things like this just to see where they are. 23 out of my 25 students knew what project 2025 was.

>> because they all watch 11th hour. >> of course. they said stephanie told us this. it's amazing because students don't know who the government is now that project 2025 is bad because they care about immigration, because they care about abortion, that is something that has gotten through and since i know they only get their information from tiktok it makes sense that groups are asking harris to focus more there but the democrats are ahead with this policy because it is something that is motivating young people to vote against trump and for harrison ways we did not see in 2020 or 2016. >> it also seems that they are arguing that this point in the race mobilizing voters is more important than making new ads. >> i think that is a big part of it but i want to take us back to the previous segment with steve who showed that 41% of hispanic voters are voting for donald trump. layer that with the fact that 38%, almost 40% of all latino voters are under the age of 30

and folks, we need to start being honest about what is going on here. the youth vote in the latino vote are basically the same thing so the challenge is not just mobilization. there is a persuasion problem that still has to happen in days are getting short now. they're going to have to tighten up their message game as well as completely fund these mobilization efforts if they're going to bring that 41% back into a historically high range which we saw in 2020, which was about 35%. there is a complete overlap between the latino votes in the you phone and i don't think it is as simple as communicating. there is a lot of persuasion that still has to happen here. >> you agree with that? when we talked to latino voters, they are the fastest growing group of entrepreneurs in the country who polling shows they care about deregulation and lowering taxes. i don't see a huge overlap there with young people. >> no, that is not the case at all. what you have happening with the latino vote in america, latino men and found trump

attractive and appealing just like you see that with some african-american men but that is completely different than the youth vote. the youth vote, in fact, we are missing a lot of young voters just like we missed them in 2022 because first-time voters came of age, became politically active after the ending of row, those people are being pulled because they don't answer their phones. i think there's probably a wellspring of voters out there enthusiastic about harris. >> let's talk about -- a reporter asked speaker johnson today about the houses role in certifying the results of the election. we can dance around poles. what we are talking about right now, this matters. listen to what speaker johnson said. >> mr. speaker, do you commit to observing regular order in the certification process of

the 2024 election even if kamala harris beats donald trump? >> well, of course, if we have a free, fair and safe election, we are going to follow the constitution. >> let's remind her audience, mike. 2020 was a free, fair and safe election and yet mike johnston right there voted to overturn those results. how does this man, the speaker of the house, get away with saying he's going to follow the constitution with a big old if attached to it? >> if i had a dollar for every time i look at one of my former republican brother in and tried to answer the same question and further shame went i would be a very wealthy man. they're going to keep saying this. they're going to keep saying i will follow it as long as it's a fair and honest election and then when it doesn't break in their direction they're going to say this is not a fair and honest election. that is the raise. that is the shell game here, and i think he is more than prepared to do that. he demonstrated that by voting to that effect and i think he's

probably lining up his carcass to do the same thing again in 2024. >> is lying. there is no fair election were trump doesn't get re-elected. that is the attitude of many of the republican elites. not necessarily the republicans on the ground, not necessarily republicans voting in georgia and north carolina but that is what the elite congress thing so he will not certify unless he is forced to do so and i fear more violence. i don't think i am unique in this. >> if he's forced to do so or if donald john wins. >> exactly. if trump wins the and of course at the free and fair election, right? we're not even getting into questions of voter suppression happening in texas and north carolina but i do think that if harris is to win, if she wins the popular vote, wins the electoral college, we don't know, i fear violence.

january 6 was a test run and there have been four years of many people not being held accountable for what they did four years ago and there is no reason for them to not do it again if they are not happy with the results. >> the washington post is reporting that elections officials are trying to get out ahead of conspiracy theories and lies and they're now trying to offer a whole new level of transparency. they're giving tours, open houses, actually putting their work on live streams to say here it is, america. but, will any of that make a difference if people are determined to sow doubt, and if other people are open to those conspiracy theories because they don't want to believe what they see right before their eyes? >> no, i don't think that it will. i think if there are enough people determined to cause chaos in the election than it is going to happen. in the lincoln project in 2020 we were fully expecting that there would be problems with the chain of custody of the ballots and this does not have to happen in urban areas were heavily hispanic or black precincts or strong blue regions of the state. this can happen in deep red

areas where you have candidates or parties or people who want to cause trouble and cause uncertainty in the race simply by messing with what we call the chain of custody. who touches the ballots? how are they processed? how do they get from the high school gymnasium where people are voting to the county government center? anyone ballot box can be messed with in any red county and that causes uncertainty. the dangerous, precarious moment we have to be mindful of is a 72 hours after the polls close. that is time in the early voting in early processing begins, the most vulnerable time for democracy. that is when you're going to see the most shenanigans, possibly violence and great concern and we need to be very vigilant but just sitting rules is not going to be enough. there are too many ways to interfere with the process of counting ballots to entirely protect the system. >> all right then. michael, thank you for joining

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>> our infrastructure invested $1 billion in science and technology. we have announced investments in 1 trillion dollars in clean

energy manufacturing in america in the last three years. >> president biden spoke at a new york climate week event tonight outlining the economic impact of his administration's green policies to business leaders. earlier tonight i sat down with the secretary of energy, jennifer granholm, to talk about that very thing and more. secretary, i am so glad you're here because so much has been done in terms of positives to the economy, specifically through green businesses but people say i don't know what's been done. what do you think the greatest accomplishment has been during this administration? >> clearly the passage of the inflation reduction act and the bipartisan infrastructure law, two keys to be able to build out this clean energy have been extraordinary. you come from this financial background. half $1 trillion of investment in the united states just in

the past two years in clean energy and of that, a dollar on the public site and six dollars on the private side. we say this is private-sector led and government enabled. what is that meant on the ground? it is meant over 800 factories that have announced they are coming to america, expanding in america to build these products that get us to the goal of net zero carbon emissions and 100% clean electricity on the electricity get -- grade. it's such great news. 400,000 people being employed in this clean energy sector with affects their growth rate of the regular economy. we are putting on the grid this year -- everybody knows about the hoover dam. hoover dam is 2 gw of power. on the grid in america this year we are putting 30 hoover dam's worse of clean energy on the electricity grid because of the

inventive's in the inflation reduction act. america has become irresistible for investment. >> irresistible? the majority of these projects are going to take years to complete. >> they are starting now, though. >> what happens if we end up with a different administration and i'm not asking you to get political, but if we end up with a different administration to these projects that are already underway? >> first of all, over 60% of the investments i am talking about are going to red states and red counties. that is where they have gone. in fact, 86% of these investments have gone to counties with below average weekly wages and below average college rates. a lot of that is rural. it would be political malpractice to vote against taking away jobs and opportunity -- these future- facing jobs from communities that have been left behind.

we think about all these communities that have been hollowed out by the loss of manufacturing jobs, all the outsourcing -- this industrial strategy is giving hope to communities across the country. >> if he brought the hope in the business in the jobs, why are they still red counties? >> well, we are not doing this based upon red versus blue. you're asking me a human nature question. >> i'm not saying you chose these projects because they are in red counties but why are they still red if you deliver the project is going to change lives for people there. >> i don't know if people of made the connection between the passage of these laws and what they are seeing on the ground. i just don't think that is true. people still think there are now charging stations for electric vehicles going in. we've doubled the number of charging stations. there are five times more charging stations in america

than there are mcdonald's. publicly available five-speed chargers. we are bumping up against 200,000 high-speed charges. all of this is happening but i don't know if people understand that all these investment, all these jobs are connected to the policy that was passed under the biden-harris administration. >> there are a group of people who don't need the charging stations. good news, the price and gas is going down across the country. >> we are producing more energy than ever, both fossil energy as well as clean renewable energy and we want to be producing even more. we know the big data centers, for example, are going to be doing all of these, data centers across the country, ai, we know there's going to be greater demand so we are going to need to add power but our hope is that we are going to put on the grid enough clean power to be able to power all of those data centers and the electric vehicles and all the factories that are coming on board even as we are producing record amounts of oil and gas. >> how do you fit all of that

under the same tent, right? producing record amounts of oil and gas but by the way, we want to go green. >> everybody recognizes this is a transition. it's 2050 we have to get to net zero. that's 26 years from now so you cannot flip a switch and have it all go away so we know we've got to get there and the question is, how quickly can we add enough clean energy so we transform our energy grid to be hundred percent clean, hundred percent zero carbon emitting. >> in order to transform, are you hoping that we will see more deregulation? people have this idea now that no regulation is good and more regulation is bad but that's not really the case. it is smart regulation. do we need regulatory changes to make the transformation you're talking about more streamlined? >> it is ridiculous that it takes sometimes decades for a transmission line to get in and we have to move power from where it is generated to the

places where there is a great demand so we do need to do that. the positive news about ai is that we are engaging in a pilot to use a i to help us speed up permitting so that we can do it much more quickly, still taking into account of course, the environmental concerns that permitting is there to address. i am very bullish on this. i'm so excited. this is such a fantastic time to be energy secretary. we are energized and we are in the middle of history being made. when we look back on this, these laws are going to be the story about how we battle climate change and how america led. >> thank you so much. always good to see you. when we come back, the story we have been covering for months, brett favre finally testifies before congress about

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the last thing before we go tonight is a little different than usual but something we need to update you on, story we've been talking about since it began. brett favre, while appearing on capitol hill today, the hall of fame quarterback it a surprise announcement. he has been diagnosed with parkinson's disease, which has nothing to do with what he is accused of but it is an important disclosure. this disclosure came during a hearing today on the alleged misuse of welfare funds in mississippi. he had been accused of accepting more than $1 million in fees from a welfare program for speeches that he never gave. here's some of what he had to say. >> i had also offered to help raise funds for a new volleyball facility at southern

miss your the one that is gotten all the publicity. i wanted to help my alma mater and benefit the community. southern miss introduced me to the nonprofit. i had no way of knowing what was wrong with the project, especially since it was publicly approved by many state agencies and multiple attorneys including the attorney general. i lost an investment in the company that i believed was developing a breakthrough concussion drug i thought would help others and i'm sure you will understand [ inaudible ] because i've recently been diagnosed with parkinson's. >> we should point out that favre has denied any wrongdoing, paid back the money and has not been criminally charged but was named in a civil lawsuit filed by the state, and we will continue to cover this story as it develops, but as for now, we are signing off. on that note i wish you a very good night from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news. thanks for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow from a very special location. very special location.